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Washington Nationals Remain "Favorites" For Prince Fielder According To Reports.

They have Adam LaRoche at first. They have Michael Morse if LaRoche isn't 100% healthy and ready to return. They gave Jayson Werth a long-term deal last winter and the first year was disappointing. They might have to give Ryan Zimmerman a long-term deal. And what if the Gold Glove-winning third baseman has to move across the diamond late in his career? Where will Zim go if the Washington Nationals have a big slugging first baseman locked up for the foreseeable future? And isn't Prince Fielder better off with an American League team so he can eventually stick to DH'ing late in his career? Is spite of all the questions and doubts, and acknowledging that there's certainly a possibility and a precedent for teams entering into the mix late in the game, several sources are reporting this afternoon that the Nats are [still] the front runners to add the 27-year-old, 5'11'', 275 lb, HR-hitting power bat...

Star-divide

Fielder, as FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal wrote this morning in an article entitled, "If Nats want Fielder, now may be perfect", fits nicely into Washington's lineup, and provides the, "... left-handed presence the Nationals need between the right-handed Morse, 29, and Zimmerman, 27." Though, "... the Nats would prefer to boost their payroll in accordance with revenue; their average of 24,877 last season ranked only 20th in the majors," Mr. Rosenthal writes, the D.C. area, "... as a market, doesn’t work like that. Washington is a front-running town, drawn to stars like Fielder." If you sign him, they will come to Nationals Park? If the Nats can get him on a six-year deal it makes sense to the FOXSports.com reporter.

CBSSports.com's Jon Heyman reported in an article entitled, "Prince field 4 or 5 teams; Nats, O's, Rangers in", that the field of Fielder suitors had been narrowed to four or five teams with the Rangers, Nationals and Orioles believed to be involved, and the possibility of a "mystery team" entering the bidding a distinct possibility. On Twitter (@JonHeymanCBS), the national baseball writer has since written that, "of final Prince teams, Rangers are longest shot. Had great meeting. But length issue for [Texas]. Need isnt as great for them." As far as Mr. Heyman's hearing, "Fielder [is] expected to get AT LEAST 7 yr contract, and perhaps 8."

From what USA Today's Bob Nightengale's sources are telling him, however, that the Nationals' main challenger for most of the rumor-filled process of silenty [aggressively] pursuing Prince Fielder, the Texas Rangers, "... believe they are out out of the bidding for free-agent slugger Prince Fielder." In an article this afternoon entitled, "Texas likely out of Prince Fielder free-agent derby", Mr. Nightengale writes that, "The Rangers' likely elimination would seem to make the Washington Nationals front-runners for Fielder's services." Mr. Nightengale then goes on to add that, "A person familiar with the negotiations, but not authorized to discuss publicly, said that talks were accelerating and could conclude today."

"The #Nationals remain favorites for Prince, but no decision has been made," Mr. Nightengale (@BNightengale) later added on the Twitter machine. Contributing to the idea that a mystery team is poised to enter the fray, ESPN.com's Buster Olney (@Buster_ESPN) wrote on the Twitter that he'd heard, "Interesting SPECULATION from a club VP: If Fielder takes 1-yr deal, DET would be great fit. Could use insurance $ from Victor to sign him." While noting that it was pure speculation, the ESPN.com baseball writer once again brought up the idea that, "A big 1-yr. deal for Prince allows him to hit market next fall, when LAD, NYM might be in better position to bid." Scott Boras, of course, dismissed this thinking earlier this winter when it came up before.

However this plays out, it sounds like the long, long, tedious, rumor-filled, speculation-driven, drawn-out, laborious process of finding a new home for the soon-to-be-former-Milwaukee Brewer might actually be coming to an end...Of course, I may have just jinxed everyone into another week or two of speculation.

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AdamKilgoreWP:
Gio Gonzalez will be introduced at a news conference at Nats Park tomorrow afternoon. That’s, uh, interesting timing.

So HE gets to hand Zimmerman the big check.
@Ken_Rosenthal:

“Sources: #Marlins, #Orioles not in mix for Fielder. #Rangers out, per @BNightengale. Barring surprise, #Nationals appear favorite. #MLB”

How about the Dodgers? I bet they're the surprise team...
They get a mention in a few of the articles above, but I find it hard to believe.

Nothing will surprise me though.

John Heyman

https://twitter.com/#!/JohnHeymanCBS/status/161893788166533120

Prince Fielder to the #Nationals is official. 8 year deal.

Now THAT'S interesting...
Appears to be another fake account

It’s Jon, not John

...grrr.
Eight years might be too much anyway

#sougrapes

How about Nine years, $214 million?

If true, I think the Tigers are officially crazy.

What do they do once VMart is healthy?

Move him back to catcher? Move Miggy back to a lumbering 3rd base?

Talk about your "surprise team" - this makes no sense to me
Trade him?
I guess
They're going to have to eat most of his salary if they do
Most as in >50%?

Maybe. I actually see a pretty reasonable trade for his 2013-2014 seasons if the Tigers eat about 40% of his salary for those years (plus the sunk cost of his 2012 recovery).

I'm thinking almost Zambrano levels of contract munching

They’re asking a team to take a flyer on a 34yo DH only hasn’t-played-in-a-year coming off a major injury player for $25 million? Or even $15 million? And they want something back? Rotsa Ruck.

Hey, it might work. I can’t believe that, after four months of free agency, someone blinked and met Boras’s demands for Fielder. Crazy.

JohnHeymanCBS Jon Heyman
Prince Fielder to the #Nationals is official. 8 year deal

tomorrow's press conference

FOTF gets extension and welcomes the Prince and NatGio all in one presser

Yes!

I hope I am not getting ahead of my self…but if this is legit this makes us instant pennant contenders barring injuries…yess

Its Jon not John Heyman - real heyman has not reported
It's a fake!!!

A FAKE!!!!!! What a horrible human being!!!

+1

^ this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well..

at this point wtih now two faux reports of us getting Prince…if we don’t get him I will be unhappy LOL.

If we are set on signing Fielder, I hope we do it now.

It would be good publicity, and would overshadow the current Wizard’s situation. At least we have one good soon-to-be great D.C. sports team.

it seems like 1 is the limit.

Maybe the Nats have just been waiting for the Caps to start sucking to take their turn as the one good DC team.

I hate fake Twitter accounts. After the last few days I definitely doublechecked Heyman's Twitter page before even considering the latest fake news.
theyve actually moved me off of the fence on fielder

with each fake report i get excited and i guess thats my gut telling me i want him in DC

Uh oh...

@TBrownYahoo: Source: Prince is very close to a nine-year contract with the Detroit Tigers, according to sources.

Don't know what to believe any more...

But that does appear to be the REAL Tim Brown writing that fwiw.

#preparesforBIGletdown.

yes, but he also RT the fake Heyman.

Next up – Dan Snyder signs Prince Fielder to a 10 year 200mm deal a nose tackle?

Tim Brown also went with the fake Heyman thing

If the Tigers get him for 9 years, then God bless them.

maybe he was thinking big Cecil
They, of all people, saw what happens when a Fielder hits 30
Agreed

9 years would be too much. I also get excited everytime I hear a fake report, but I think we can still win without him..just not as likely this year.

I can't see this

Detroit has Miguel Cabrera at 1B, and expect Victor Martinez back to DH either late this year or for the start of 2013. That seems an awfully NY/BOS panic move for a 1-year need…

Vmart isn't very good FWIW
well he is good

but a good catcher. He isn’t really a great 1b/DH

So, Nats can trade for Cabrera?

We’ll get him Elijah’s old chaperone.

He's actually not a good catcher

That’s why Boston let him go even though their catching situation was not good – they preferred a well-past-his-prime Varitek to VMart. It’s why he mostly (112 of 144 games) played DH last year. And VMart is signed for the next three seasons. Fielder might go to Detroit on a pricey one year deal (1 year, $28 million?). Detroit is NOT going to sign Fielder to a multi-year deal. I’d bet money on that, and I’m not a gambling man.

Wow

That’s quite a limb.

Where is VMart supposed to play when he comes back?

If you move Cabrera back to third, with Fielder at 1b, well, you’d better score a LOT of runs.

Apparently it's a good thing I didn't bet, because the Tigers are Crazy

Crazy like a fox in 2012, but after that … ?

twitter is losing its mind
And have it's use as a legitimate news source completely destroyed...
[having its] I was typing angrily and too quickly...
twitter has a mind?

I think we’ve been through this before.

@JonHeymanCBS:

fielder gets 9 yrs, $200_plus mil. @TBrownYahoo said close

+ "prince agrees with #tigers"
Well looks like its Detroit people..

Looks ilke 9/200+ for the big fella.

good for them, 9 for 200 is crazy
Yeah

I’m very disappointed he’s not coming to the Nats but also glad when I look at the numbers (9/214)

This is certifiably insane, if true

Even if VMart is out for this year, he’s not retiring – the Tigers are on the hook to him for $25 million total in 2013 and 2014. They are paying Cabrera $21, 21, 22 and 22 million from 2012-2015.

The Tigers essentially will be paying three DH/1b types something on the order of $53 million in 2013 and 2014. WTH?

I think that they've got to be looking to trade one of them -- probably VMart -- next winter.
Boy, they're going to have trouble getting anything for him, even if they pay almost all of his contract

DH only, coming off an ACL tear, $25 million due over two seasons (2013 and 2014) … suddenly I don’t feel so bad about shopping ALR around.

Couldn't agree more

Time to send Adam LaRoche a fruit basket?

the last hour or so have been pretty cruel to us

with the fake accounts and all. Well, i’m glad it’s over. Time to focus on baseball and not fielder anymore.

Heyman also notes that the finalists to land Fielder were the Nationals, Tigers and one other "mystery team."
wow...

oh well, I guess he was going to be more of a luxury anyways

Bora$$ needs to send V-Marts ACL a fruit basket
Well, this frees up some money for our poor 3B and a FA CFer.
As much as this hurts that Fielder is not a Nat...I say this is probably for the best.

They now can give Zimm what he deserves and they’ll have money for CF…

Jinx RoscoeNats jinx and you...
3:21 3:21 haha
Brilliant mind think alike, eh.
Berndaddy

I may go see some hippie jam band at the State on Friday. Donna the Buffalo. Ever listened to ’em?

Saw them in Florida once.

just garbage

just can’t believe it..wow just a big bummer..how can people all over say ohh wer favorites left and right get fans hopes up then fake Twitter accounts and freakin fake the signing..just not fair I wana knock some sense into them ..what a bummer

If someone else had gone 7/170 and gotten him, I'd have been disappointed.

No way we should have gone as high as the Tigers. Now at least get us a bench bat with the money saved. Maybe Miles and Ankiel.

This.

When people are signed way above their market value and we lose, I’m not bummed out. The Marlins may rue the day they overpaid for Buerhle at some point.

And Reyes, too
Now Prince gets to end his career where his daddy made his BIG splash.
I would have loved to have him

But like others have said, 9 years $214 is way too much for any team to spend on him, let alone an NL team. During that 9-year frame, we will probably have to shell out very big deals to Zimmerman, Strasburg and Harper, $200 plus is not a good idea when that still has to happen.

9-$214

at that price…. good riddance.

I wouldn't say "good riddance"

More like “Well done. You got what you were hoping for and no one’s really sure how, but good luck to you.”

Yeah - I don't know how Boras does it

For the record, I wanted to see Fielder in the lineup. And for the record, I’m completely OK with Rizzo not coming close to matching these terms.

The RobBobS principle is still intact!

If RobBobS wants it, Rizzo does not! Of course, I’m not sure if you wanted Fielder at these premium prices.

Which is why I'm such a huge LaRoche supporter...

… uh…

Nope. Can’t do it. ALR’s gotta go.

Well, let's see what we can do at the deadline.
i only meant it...

as it relates to the Nats. We didnt need to go that high and im glad they didnt….

Why in the world would the Tigers give $23.8M/year for nine years?

Wow. I’m sad that Fielder is not a Nat, but I’m surely not sad that Nats didn’t offer him that kind of deal.

9/214 mil???

thats just nonsense…………….Were better off……………….

I hope nobody gives Rizzo a tough time. I think he 100% did the right thing by leaving the table.
Maybe.

For all we know though, he might have been in a position to land Fielder at a much better rate earlier in the off-season, but never really made any firm offers. He might have had a pretty good shot right until VMart hurt himself.

I don’t see how a 9 year deal can have all that much to do with a 1 year injury though. Unless you think they trade Cabrera next season (which of course could happen with a weaker 1B market)

It's possible that the Tigers had no interest at all until the injury.

I just don’t get that unless they’re ready to move one of the big guns. That’s such a huge commitment that I have trouble seeing it as being reactionary. Then again I don’t know how good/bad Detroit’s management is.

I'm not saying it makes any sense,

because even without the context, the terms of THIS contract are nuts.

Good point. If Ilitch told them to go all in and screw the consequences, sanity need not apply.

I think that they may be planning their long-term from the short-term instead of vice versa

I think that this makes sense from the Tigers perspective if they’re more confident that they can get something big from VMart (selling him as recovered) than they are confident he’ll actually recover.

Best deals...........

Some of the best deals are the ones you don’t make………………

Even though I am the toughest here on Rizzo, I will not give him stuff for not making this deal……….This was a 6/not my money deal at best. Werth is going to prove to be a bust and so would have Fielder in year 4 and 5………….

I won't claim that he should have made THIS deal

But I’m not privy to the negotiations enough to say that, e.g., if they had offered 7/150 at the end of December, Boras would not have accepted it.

I think Boras would have laughed Rizzo out of the room with an offer like that.

The only way Boras was going to come down that far from what he wanted was if it went this deep into the winter. And even now, he got exactly what he wanted.

Like I say, I don't know that that's true,

and I’m pretty sure you don’t either.

At the time, the Rangers were really the only competition, and they had already committed a bunch of money to Darvish. It’s possible that a firm take-it-or-leave-it offer at that time (a pretty good offer, by the way) would have been enough.

And we also don't know that Rizz didn't make that offer a month ago...

…and Boras/Fielder chose to wait it out.

We’ll never know unless Rizzo tells us.

That's right...

we’ll never know. So I can’t say “Rizzo did everything right” in this negotiation. It’s kind of like Schrodinger’s First Baseman.

Or the Heisenberg Uncertainty Glove
And that's one uncertain glove!

Bada-bing!

-10 points on myself

and I don’t even know how!

I strongly doubt that

Boras was going to get Boras’ price. Moral of the story: Boras always wins.

(Almost. See Rodriguez, Francisco)
And Madsen, Ryan
It's a tough pill to swallow

But I agree, shelling out that kind of money to a guy who already has weight issues and no DH spot is irresponsible. Now it is his job to follow this up with other wiser moves in the future to make us true contenders.

DEFINITE BUMMER

I give the brain trust credit for going after him, and trying hard to improve this team quickly, even if we “came in second” yet again… And I was a PF proponent certainly, but not at any price! I think they made the wise choice and kept the gun in the holster. Nine years and $214M is a LOT of commitment, and while they’ll (Det.) certainly be a power for the next few years, I have to believe this will ultimately harm that franchise big-time come 2018-2021. At a minimum, it is a HUGE gamble.

OK, next play! I’m looking forward to making a really big CF signing maybe a year from now, given the cash that we just freed up.

Any good CF FA’s out there available next winter for (up to) $150M???
;-)

Well....let me be the first to say......

BERNIE
DEZ
ZIMM
Morse
Werth
Ramos
ESPI
Ankiel

Harper (May)
Laroche
Flores
Lombardozzi
deLaRosa?

Ankiel?

Who’s that?

morse to 1B and signing a FA CF next winter is better long term road map
Maybe.

I still have my doubts about Morse being a top-line first baseman. Hopefully, because he’s going to be the man.

Top-line, as in Fielder/Pujols? No. But Votto-level, maybe?
Votto's now the best first baseman in the NL

And I don’t think it’s even close.

Yes..............

they can now deal for Upton in July………….

We also get to see if Tyler Moore can mash at the MLB level too.
goodbye pos Twitter

Damn Twitter

I loved the idea of Fielder

But 9 years and 214 million? Really?

The question is now:

what has been done to shore up the offense that was one of the worst in the National League last season? I had put all my “hope eggs” into the Fielder basket. That collapsed and there’s egg yolk all over my shoes, and in the end the Nats still haven’t done anything to ensure they score more runs in 2012. Unfortunately, now that it’s late January, there’s really nobody left out there to help. That DOES bother me.

Besides hoping for better seasons from Zim, Werth, and Desmond...

And similar production in more PAs from Morse…

And, well, Cameron+DeRosa+Flores > Stairs+ Hairston+Pudge (at least offensively)…

Besides all that…I think that the biggest improvement to the offense is that Harper might actually be on the team at some point this year.

Plus a healthy Ryan Zimmerman

The man did miss a 3rd of the season…

(Mentioned him)

“Better seasons for Zim, Werth, and Desmond

and LaRoche>Nix

I think you’re right. We didn’t see even one moment of a healthy LaRoche last season. Injures in ST.

I hope we’ll be pleasantly surprised.

I think that at the worst, we can say "LaRoche >/= Nix"
According to FanGraphs

During the age 28-29-30 seasons (Nix just finished his age 30 season, LaRoche was 31 and injured this year but had been healthy in the previous years, so it’s a fair comparison), Nix put up a total of 3.2 WAR, and LaRoche amassed a 3.6 WAR. Neither one is particularly inspiring (some might say they both just aren’t good), but at least Nix’ value comes mainly from offense, so he’s a better bench option.

It could be that the Nats were victims of just bad luck

Zim got hurt (not that that’s a shocker), Werth played well below expectations, LaRoche was bad even for LaRoche, Desmond struggled out of the gate, Stairs had a 3-sigma bad year, Nix played a bit below expectations, Espi had a bad second half, Bernadina proved he’s not much of a player, Rodriguez continued his inevitable decline, Cora was nigh onto worthless with a bat. Marrero and Lombardozzi showed nothing in their short times up. On the plus side, Ramos had a bit of a breakout, and Morse probably played over his head.

What are they going to do if Zimm gets hurt again? Put Lombardozzi out there?

What if LaRoche is LaRoche and Harper’s not really ready? Does this mean Bernadina or Marrero on an every day basis?

What if Morse comes back to earth?

What if Desmond’s first half, and Espi’s second half, are really the true representations of them as offensive players?

What if Ramos plays like he did in Venezuela?

What if Werth doesn’t rebound?

The team as currently organized does not scare National League rotations, EVEN IF none of these situations arise.

Wasted $.............

If everything you just said happens Fielder would have really been a waste of money in 2012………….That offense does’nt get us 80 wins………….

I don't think these things will ALL happen

but it’s possible — perhaps even likely — that some of them might. The Nats could absorb the misfortune better if they had Fielder. I don’t see how they can withstand any bad luck like this and realistically hope to compete.

Didn't Marrero blow out a knee in winter ball?
Hamstring, team says All-Star Break, he hopes sooner iirc
More runs????

Except for MORSE and Ramos………..these bums had career lows………

ZIMM, Werth and Fraud—-BLEW……This cannot happen again.

ESPI going to improve 10% and even DEZ (“Desmond is a terrible baseball player”) should improve 5%.

Your probably going to see the annointed one in May.

The team has never been missing a first baseman. Its missing a leadoff hitter.

Say hello to BERNIE 3.0

Agreed. I might nitpick on two things, but the gist I agree

(Nitpicks: I’d say the anointed one is due in June, and I predict 7.5% improvements from both Desi and Espi, with the understanding that 7.5% of Espi > 7.5% of Desi)

Johnny Damon, Hideki Matsui, and Vladimir Guerrero are still looking for jobs.
Of them, I'd take Damon, or MAYBE Matsui

Much as I like Vladdy, the golf swings make my eyes bleed.

No thanks

Damon can only pay LF at this point, and his arm (which was never very good) is almost completely gone. And his bat is following (.261/.326/.418 last year). Damon maybe a bit better than Bernadina offensively (.242/.304/.364 career) but defensively he’s pretty useless. Bernadina is actually a prett good LF.

I think Damon will end up with the Rays again…

…after they trade BJ Upton to the Nats. Slide Jennings to CF and the Rays are set.

#buryingthelead

$778,182 per pound

That’s what Detroit thinks he was worth. In other words, 1 LB of Prince Fielder is worth a high end home in the DC burbs, or a moderate to high end town home in the city.

Who are you, the Merchant of Venice?
well I am Jewish..
(it was a joke, I hope you understand)
again jewish

we invented jokes. :)

DeRosa+Flores> Hairston+Pudge

FAIL

Flores is a MUCH better hitter than Pudge.
SO.................

Flores is still trying to throw his mother in law out…………

I DID specify OFFENSIVELY
Richest owner??????

This IS ALL THE LERNERS FAULT SCARED TO SPEND MONEY WHEN THEY R WORTH 2XS DETROIT’S OWNER how can u let this slide..I’m so tired of gettin happy and expectting us to land him,and then get teased left and right and our luck the REAL RUMOR IS HE SIGNS WITH THE TIGERS? THE TIGERS R U KIDDING ME ??? forget fat boy I am never going to get my hopes up ever again..worst,news,ever..I had all my eggs,in this basket..all this Hype n buzz he’s comin to town n bam freakin Detroit..ban Boras from Dc ban him from talking to any more of or players..screw u Boras go on a private island n never come back..u r a traitor..u gave werthless and I’m sry I’m heated and e,tremly disappointed n shocked I spent over 245hrs+ for nothin on Prince fatboy to town. Talked all this smack to get our buzz goin more n we get smacked. Damn u Twitter this sucked a,lot of juice out of me to get excited this year..I’m sry guys our o needed him more than we knew..were goin to win by pitching and not by our offense. Ty very much MR.LERNER CHEAP CHEAP OWNER,IF I HAD THAT MUCH $ U BET MY LIFE I’D GIVE IT SO WE COULD SHOCK THE WORLD..AH LOL any mad like,mee

Calm down..............

The play here was to attempt to sign………….PUJOLS……….

If you want to talk cheap its not signing Pujols………….

Fielder does’nt deserve a Pujols deal being the fatboy he is………….6 years tops. Detroit was very foolish. 3years too foolish.

I'd be willing to bet that Fielder in fact outperforms Pujols over the rest of their careers.

I actually don’t think it will be close.

Fielder won't much like playing in the canyon that is Comerica Park,

but I agree nevertheless .

The FO said all along the Nats weren't interested in that long a deal.

It was years more than dollars that sent him to Detroit. He could have gotten the same AAV on a shorter deal in DC months ago.

I’m not sure why you’re upset. I’d be more upset if the Nats paid that much for him in this league.

Agreed. I have to admit the thought of Fielder for the next couple of years was exciting and therefore enticing, but if they had signed him to a deal like that it would have been just plain dumb.

Hey Rob, I especially feel bad for you. You’ve been on this for a long time and bravo for bringing a bunch of people around to your way of thinking.
That being said, it’s back to the drawing board!

[begrudgingly crumples plans, tosses them into the waste bin]

I have every right to be upset

Stop acting like your not upset either. I am Upset BC THIS HAPPENS to us all the time,when were involved deep in talks with stars who are game changers and providing hope then u get let down over n over..u get my frustration?? all the signs had his fat arse comin here n fear other teams were having of him in our lineup..now we go back to old I.injury prone Laroche. Don’t give,me that Bs were better off bc we need much o help

He is just not worth the contract he was given.
Yo Rizzo!

As you’ll answer it, take heed
This Slave commit no Violence upon
Himself. I’ve been deceiv’d. The Publick Safety
Requires he should be more confin’d; and none,
No not the Princes self, permitted to
Confer with him. I’ll quit you to the King.
Vile and ingrate! too late thou shalt repent
The base Injustice thou hast done my Love:
Yes, thou shalt know, spite of thy past Distress,
And all those Ills which thou so long hast mourn’d;
Heav’n has no Rage, like Love to Hatred turn’d,
Nor Hell a Fury, like a Sportzxpert scorn’d.

I'm not really upset

Or rather, I’m upset with the Tigers for getting played by Boras. I have no problem at all with Rizzo and the Nationals walking away from the table. Just because someone else wants to pay $10 for a $5 item doesn’t make it smart to pay $11.

+1

Although I’m not so much upset as nonplussed.

not so sure

his,contract would do jack squat to the revenues and incomes gained from ticket sales value of franchise and all that stuff I just was,to caught up in this more than any other sports teams here. I know I’m not in the minority here..u guys r thinking future when I was thinking of now..all my eggs n our 3 ace studs and harper ..

The moment that Strasburg went down, 2013 became the target year to win the division.

There is still a lot that can happen to this roster in the next 14 months.

lol Perrymason

ok Shakespeare..dont take my comments to the heart I’m a fanatic fan like anyone. Ty for your poem very touching

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