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Wire Taps: Washington Nationals, Texas Rangers, Prince Fielder And The Yu Darvish Deadline.

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In ESPN.com's Buster Olney's daily post this morning he links to an article on the Dallas Morning News' blog which transcribes an interview with Dallas Morning News' baseball writer Evan Grant, with Mr. Olney writing, "Prince Fielder has made it clear he wants to be with the Texas Rangers." In the article, which is entitled, "Grant: Prince Fielder has made it 'very clear' he wants to be with Rangers", Mr. Grant says, "it’s very, very clear that this is where [Prince] wants to be," but it's also clear that the writer is simply offering his own opinion on the situation based on the reporting he's done and what he's heard. Since Prince hasn't yet signed, it's likely that the contract he's looking for hasn't been offered yet, the writer suggests, and he's quoted stating that, "... It appears that he and Scott Boras have been waiting all along for the Rangers to get their Darvish situation settled so they could get down to brass tacks between Prince and the Rangers."

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At the same time, however MLB.com writer T.R. Sullivan's writing, in an article entitled, "If Texas signs Darvish, adding Fielder unlikely", that, "If the Rangers get Darvish's deal done as expected, they are not expecting to sign free-agent first baseman Prince Fielder." According to the MLB.com beat writer, in spite of what former D.C. GM and current MLB Network Radio host Jim Bowden said recently on Twitter about the Rangers being able to afford both Darvish and Fielder, "... club officials continued to stress that the Rangers don't plan on signing both Darvish and Fielder."

FOXSports.com's Jon Morosi's sources too are telling him, as he writes this afternoon in an article entitled, "Rangers' revival gaining more steam", that, "Rangers officials have downplayed their chances of landing both Darvish and Fielder, 'barring something changing,' in the words of one source," or, likely, barring something "extraordinary" or "out of the ordinary" as D.C. GM Mike Rizzo said when asked about the Nationals' chances of signing Fielder earlier this winter. Mr. Morosi goes on to explain how the Rangers have managed to build a strong, highly-regarded farm system and raise their national profile in recent seasons with a lucrative tv deal and playoff revenue, and how, "Nearly 3 million fans came to Rangers Ballpark last year." In other words, they're exactly where the Nationals want to be...

And exactly where Fielder's agent Scott Boras told FOXSports.com's Jon Morosi's colleague Ken Rosenthal he was trying to convince owners of interested teams his big slugging client could take them. In a 12/29/11 article entitled, "Boras taking his time with Fielder deal", the super agent told the bow-tied FOXSports.com reporter he was telling teams to look at the history:

"'When Prince Fielder came to Milwaukee, check out the first year, what they were drawing,' Boras said. 'Then, when you see that number (2.21 million), see what they’re drawing now in Milwaukee (3.07 million). And they’ve also got a new (local) TV contract . . . Look at where the franchise was then, and where it is now.'"

In addition to making the team more competitive, Fielder can draw talent to a franchise, or convince other players to stay a part of something special he can help a team build. "'(A player like Fielder) gets you the (local) TV contract, he gets you a higher franchise value, your attendance goes up . . . These players pay for themselves. They make you a lot of money. Owners understand that,'" Boras said. Surely, the Nationals owners know just how much Prince Fielder could mean to their franchise, and what he might cost them in terms of salary and roster maneuverability as they go forward and have to pay for homegrown talent like Ryan Zimmerman, Stephen Strasburg, Bryce Harper and others. Now it's up to the Rangers to decide if Fielder's worth more to them than what Washington or any other team that remains interested is willing to offer the 27-year-old, 5'11'', 275lb slugger.

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Evan Grant is a clown

Exhibit 1: Evan Grant voted for Michael Young for AL MVP in 2011. Michael Young! Idiot.

I saw his name and said “hey, that sounds familiar” and googled him. He has zero credibility.

I like Mr. Olney (what? haters!) but I think he and the DMN blog titler do him a disservice...

With Olney’s description of the comments and the title chosen for the article. Plus, if you read it, the comments barely cling together in a sensible way. If you check his twitter feed he discussed comments with a few Nats fans/twitterers this morning and clarified his comments some.

This might sound like a stupid question, but...

Does V-Mart’s injury put the Tigers in on Fielder? I wouldn’t think so, but teams have done stupider things…

I think puts them more in on Adam LaRoche

Tigers GM already said Cabrera can't play third...

Fielder is blocked at first by Cabrera and doesn’t want to DH. If anything, this might put the Tigers in on Morse ducks objects being thrown

that was my first thought but I’m recovering from knee replacement and wouldn’t be able to dodge the thrown objects!

Possible but not probable

The Tigers are one of the few sports franchises where the owner is willing to operate at a loss already. The likelihood of adding a major free agent, pushing out existing talent because of monetary issues makes Detroit’s case for Fielder next to zilch.

Vmart

Trade Flores and maybe LaRoche for Austin jackson to be our Cfer. I am sure we could get back a good prospect as well. This lets Ramos take the brunt of the games and keep learning from Pudge.
If Fielder doesn’t sign with the Nats then you move Morse to 1B and Shark/Ankiel in LF, jackson in CF, Werth in Right and Harper in AAA. If Harper tears it up in ST you lose Shark or Ankiel and he takes LF.

I don't see this as a realistic trade

The Tigers don’t need a catcher, they have Avila and Laird. Avila was the best catcher in baseball last year. And an aging LaRoche and his one year contract doesn’t get you 3 or 4 years of Austin Jackson, who is 23 or 24.

Especially if they go grab Carlos Pena

Who just hit gold me thinks.

Austin Jackson is NOT a leadoff hitter

despite being put in that spot by the Tigers. His OBP is completely driven by his batting average, which dropped 45 points in 2011. He has a career 1:3.5 BB/K ratio, striking out 170 times in 2010 and 181 times in 2011.

Not that I really know much

but I’ve been predicting Fielder to the Nats for a while and I still think he will end up there. I don’t really mind it either. Means the Cubs and Brewers don’t get him and I like the young, exciting team the Nats are putting together.

Thanks for the good wishes

This got proposed earlier on this site – as the Pirates GM, would you trade McCutcheon for Harper?

Mind you, I don’t make that trade as the Nationals – although if it was Cole + McCutcheon for Harper I’d have to take it very seriously.

Lannan arb update:

@JonHeymanCBS: lannan filed at $5.7M, nats at $5M

Still think Prince isn't a great fit for the Nats, but...

given the wealth of the ownership an the possible impact a run at the pennant the next couple seasons could mean for the next TV deal, it might work out. I just don’t see how the Nats can compete on years with an AL team unless they are truly prepared to just eat years 7 and 8 on his contract. There’s a significant chance Fielder won’t be one by then and, knowing that, an AL team is more likely to offer those extra years. Should the Nats do it to boost revenue…even if a bunch of that revenue gets tossed out on two useless years of Prince?

So our only chance is Cecil Fielder's fat kid at north of $25M per?

in exchange for…what, the difference between what he can do, and what Mike Morse can do? I think not.

Agreed

This team could put the money to better use, just have to be patient. Resigning Zimmerman + andre ethier + a #2-3 starter would be a much better use of that huge chunk of change.

The net gain isn't worth it

The net gain in wins, if you figure Morse is gone, is not worth the money. If Morse is a 2-3 WAR first baseman, and Prince is a 5-6 WAR first baseman, you’re paying up to 12 million dollars per win for the difference (minus what Morse gets in arbitration). That can be mitigated by moving Morse to left field, but then the Nats have too many corner outfielders possibly as soon as this April. And Morse loses value with his poor outfield defense, made worse if the team decides to play Werth in center as well.

The team’s biggest need is a leadoff hitting center fielder. Not sure one is available, but I hope Rizzo is scouring the high minors of teams whose CF position is currently spoken for.

I will note that Morse was very excited about bringing Fielder to DC

And even if/when Harper comes up, that just means you have an OF of Morse/Werth/Harper, with Bernadina and Cameron as bench/defensive replacements.

Hm, it occurs that it mightn't be so simple as one guy's WAR (whatever the hell that is) vs another's

To argue with myself (relax, I do it all the time), the question isn’t what Fielder can do vs what Morse can do; it’s WHAT MORSE AND ZIMM CAN DO, COVERED BY FIELDER.

Whup, thinks I, yer a genius. This puts things in a new light. T’ain’t Fantasy, and these aren’t pieces on a game board. It’s ballplayers, and they play as a team.

And, for those of us still depressed by the dead weight of Werth last year...

there’s the glimmer of hope as to what Fielder can do for Werth, too. Recalling Werth batting after Howard, it seems this could be a return to the good old days for Werth as well. Anyway, it seems possible, if not entirely probable.

If they get Fielder I’ve heard a lot of talk about Werth hitting second.
It’s not ideal, but I’d rather see Zimmerman hitting second.

Why's that?

And who would bat third?

Fielder

Hmm.

Desmond/Zimmerman/Fielder/Morse/Werth/Harper/Espinosa/Ramos…

Something like that? Not that it matters too much, but that back end of the lineup is hard to settle on.

something like that…
for those that care about such, not much danger of a lot of small-ball with that lineup

Agree on the three-hole

Your best power-hitter hits third, regardless how much he strikes out. Your best all-around hitter, and presumably a guy who strikes out less, hits clean-up – because a high-SO guy at clean-up is a rally-killer. Fifth hitter you can go back to pure power; and NO – make that HELL NO – I do not believe in LRLRLR…

Rocking-chair is different. The two-hole is the least demanding slot near the top of the order. Slap-hitter with speed. Guy who can bunt.

If Fielder was on our team, he should hit third – to be followed by Zimm, then Morse, then Werth, then Ramos. Oh my effen word, this would be formidable. Who could you NOT pitch to? Who you gonna put on base? With that sort of mutual support and coverage, every onna them guys would hit 30+ homers.

I could see Zim hitting cleanup.
But who hits second?
It would be a dream come true if Espinoza developed into a hitter who fits the mold. Speed, power, athletic.
Right now he just strikes out to much, but I still have hope!
Like someone said, somewhere, it’s all about the journey…

I've seen the talk (here, probably!)

But I think Werth may just end up right behind Fielder.

Rangers Lie

They are saying they may not be interested in order to bring down the price. At the same time Boras is doing what he can to get a bidding war started and trying to show lots of interest. The truth is somewhere in between.

EVERYBODY is lying

That, apparently, is their job. Rizzo said exactly that in a Q&A a couple of years ago. Of course, he could have been lying then, too…

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